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Nictoe
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Biscuit
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| Its the "progressives" that got us here. |
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theLIBERTARIAN
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I pretty much agree with that Biscuit, but definitions change.
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| Tocqueville pointed to another danger as well, the danger of what he called “soft despotism,” in which a seemingly benevolent government would channel citizens into docile obedience like a herd of sheep. But that danger seemed distant, even to Tocqueville, in an America whose dominant and more populist party, Andrew Jackson’s Democrats, opposed government spending on public works projects and feared the power of a central bank. |
But then this happened:
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| The Progressives explicitly repudiated the Founders’ vision of limited government. They argued that government needed to redistribute property, to take money from one group of citizens to help others, and to regulate economic activity in ways previously considered unconstitutional. The Constitution, they said, was a “horse and buggy” document |
But why did they change? This may explain it:
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In America, most farmers owned their farms. But most city dwellers did not own significant property at all. Most city residents rented rather than owned their homes; they cashed their paychecks for cash rather than have bank accounts; they depended on charity if they became disabled or widowed...
The Progressives argued that economic freedoms were unimportant because ordinary people, lacking property, didn’t really have much economic freedom anyway. As such, property rights must be subordinated to human rights. |
Now this was interesting:
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| By 1937, most Americans opposed Roosevelt’s plan to pack the Supreme Court and were repelled by the sit-down strikes that resulted in unionizing the auto and steel industries. Majorities favored reducing government spending and controls, limiting the power of labor unions, and paring welfare programs—this was when the word “boondoggling” was added to the English language. |
I didn't know most Americans felt that way. Then why did they vote for FDR??? Also, the spending worked for FDR and Reagan.
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| Those policies—as modulated by the Republican Congress in 1947 and 1948, which eliminated wage and price controls, cut taxes, limited the powers of labor unions,... while the bipartisan G.I. Bill of Rights, shaped in large part by the American Legion, |
Yes, but the GI bill didn't limit government.
Biscuit, this is the important part, IMO, where the progressive are changing again:
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| significant amounts of wealth. And that is why, I believe, American voters seem to be rejecting the policies of the Obama Democrats. Those policies, rooted in the Progressive and New Deal tradition, |
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theLIBERTARIAN
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Barone is very knowledgeable about history, IMO. But this whole system is based on a central bank and income taxes. We need to deal with that first and other things will fall in line, IMO. |
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Biscuit
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Anything progressive is bad news and is a major negative impact on our country & society.
Socialism all wrapped up and packaged nice & neat. |
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theLIBERTARIAN
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: |
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So if the progressives oppose Obama, they are wrong?  |
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Biscuit
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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They would be wrong for HIM!!
But he, and they, are on the same war path against the American people, Capitalism, the Constitution, and our personal rights. |
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