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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:22 pm    Post subject: 200,000 AK47S: GONE Reply with quote

HAVE 200,000 AK47S FALLEN INTO THE HANDS OF IRAQ TERRORISTS?

FEARS OVER SECRET U.S. ARMS SHIPMENT
10 May 2006


SOME 200,000 guns the US sent to Iraqi security forces may have been smuggled to terrorists, it was feared yesterday.

The 99-tonne cache of AK47s was to have been secretly flown out from a US base in Bosnia. But the four planeloads of arms have vanished.

Orders for the deal to go ahead were given by the US Department of Defense. But the work was contracted out via a complex web of private arms traders.

And the Moldovan airline used to transport the shipment was blasted by the UN in 2003 for smuggling arms to Liberia, human rights group Amnesty has discovered.

It follows a separate probe claiming that thousands of guns meant for Iraq's police and army instead went to al-Qaeda

Amnesty chief spokesman Mike Blakemore said: "It's unbelievable that no one can account for 200,000 assault rifles. If these weapons have gone missing it's a terrifying prospect." American defence chiefs hired a US firm to take the guns, from the 90s Bosnian war, to Iraq.

But air traffic controllers in Baghdad have no record of the flights, which supposedly took off between July 2004 and July 2005. A coalition forces spokesman confirmed they had not received "any weapons from Bosnia" and added they were "not aware of any purchases for Iraq from Bosnia". Nato and US officials have already voiced fears that Bosnian arms - sold by US, British and Swiss firms - are being passed to insurgents. A Nato spokesman said: "There's no tracking mechanism to ensure they don't fall into the wrong hands. There are concerns that some may have been siphoned off." This year a newspaper claimed two UK firms were involved in a deal in which thousands of guns for Iraqi forces were re-routed to al-Qaeda.

One arms broker's lawyer is said to have admitted that nearly all of a shipment of 1,500 AK-47s went missing. And a US official said £270million of equipment could not be traced.

Meanwhile, Aerocom, the Moldovan air firm at the centre of the 200,000 missing AK47s, was stripped of its licence by its national authorities a day before the first shipment.

Two other companies in the complicated sale claim to have papers proving the guns were delivered in Iraq but refuse to show them.

Amnesty has now called on Britain to clamp down on the arms trade.

Spokeswoman Kate Allen said: "It's out of control and costing hundreds of thousands of lives every year. The UK has a real chance to do something about it when the UN meets in June."
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US May Have Delivered 200,000 AK-47s to Insurgents in Iraq – War Construction Money Used To Buy Submachine Guns + Explosives  

May 11th 2006

AK-47

The insurgents in Iraq may have 200,000 new assault weapons to use against US forces.  But where did these weapons come from; the Russians, the Chinese, Osama Bin Laden?  No, evidently they were delivered to Iraq by the U.S. Department of Defense. 

The Northern Ireland newspaper, The Daily Mirror, reported that a 99-ton cache of AK-47s was supposed to be delivered to Iraqi security forces.  According to Los Angeles Radio Station KNX News Radio, the U.S. Department of Defense used a complex web of private arms dealers to fly the shipment from a U.S. base in Bosnia to Iraq. 

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.K., let's hypothesize...

Let's say the most powerful, mobile military machine in the entire history of man actually DID use "a complex web of private arms traders...and the Moldovan airline" Shocked to deliver rifles to the Iraqi Freedom Police (or whatever they're called).

Let's say, for the moment, this highly mobile military decided, for some reason LOST to us more common thinkers, to abandon the C-130's that are sitting on airfields ALL OVER the Middle East. Maybe they were all in teh shop for repairs, who knows!

SO this highly powerful and highly mobile military wants to give a bunch of weapons to the folks we're supporting and training in-country (Iraq)...

Let's brainstorm, for a moment, as to reasons WHY "we" would decide to use the Moldavan airline Shocked, whom we obviously KNOW has a security problem, to deliver the weapons. Go ahead: Just shout 'em out....anyone.....

COULD IT POSSIBLY BE (just wondering aloud...remember, we're brainstorming here), is it CONCEIVABLE that this military machine, despite or maybe BECAUSE OF the perception that its commander in chief is a knucklehead, WANTED these weapons in the hands of the insurgency.

Is it possible the CIA or, heck, even an E1 recruit, went through each weapon and did something to it before loading it in the box and onto the Moldavan airliner Shocked ...

And here you guys are spoiling the secret! You should be ashamed that you have single-handedly subverted our ENTIRE clandestine operation.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Dave, you think there may have been something wrong with the guns?

I think there is just so much money floating around that the mistakes are bound to be made.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Something wrong" with an AK-47?
I assure you whatever may have been done to those weapons would be easily repaired as the AK-47 is simple and inexpensive to manufacture and easy to clean and maintain. Its ruggedness and reliability are legendary. The large gas piston, generous clearances between moving parts, and tapered cartridge case design allow the gun to endure large amounts of foreign matter and fouling without failing to cycle. This reliability comes at the cost of accuracy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatIthink wrote:
So Dave, you think there may have been something wrong with the guns?
Not necessarily.

It just doesn't make sense to me that we COULD have fired up just ONE crew and a C-130 for an afternoon to deliver all those guns to our friends, the Iraqi Police. There was no need for secrecy, there was no need for delays or complex deals with private arms traders...CERTAINLY no need for the Moldovan airlines.

So, since we could have sealed the deal, run over and picked up the guns, and delivered them Fed Ex (so to speak), there must be some other explanation as to why we chose the route we chose.

I would also like to know why arguably the best intelligence network in the world didn't know there were security issues in the recent past with the Moldovan airlines.

All of that adds up, to my way of thinking, to "we don't know all the facts, here and what we DO know doesn't make logical sense."

I don't have to think very far out of the box to suggest maybe we set the whole thing up. AND we wouldn't set the whole thing up to deliver good, working guns to the enemy. IF we set the whole thing up, we would make sure those guns would do something untoward when fired.

That's a little peak into how my brain works. Scary, isn't it. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't know much about guns, huh dave?
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

barstow wiz wrote:
don't know much about guns, huh dave?
I know a lot more about logic and reason. And the case presented lacks both.

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