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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Why does everyone hate immigrants? Reply with quote

Immigration protests spread across U.S.

March 25, 2006

BY TIM MOLLOY
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LOS ANGELES -- Thousands of people across the country protested Friday against legislation cracking down on illegal immigrants, with demonstrators in such cities as Los Angeles, Phoenix and Atlanta staging school walkouts, marches and work stoppages.

Congress is considering bills that would make it a felony to be illegally in the United States, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border. The proposals have angered many Hispanics.

The Los Angeles demonstration led to fights between black and Hispanic students at one high school, but the protests were largely peaceful, authorities said.

Chantal Mason, a sophomore at George Washington Preparatory High, said black students jumped Hispanic students as they left classes to protest a bill that passed the House in December that would make it a felony to be in the United States illegally.

In Phoenix, police said 10,000 demonstrators marched to the office of Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, co-sponsor of a bill that would give illegal immigrants up to five years to leave the country. The turnout clogged a major thoroughfare.

''They're here for the American Dream,'' said Malissa Greer, 29, who joined a crowd estimated by police to be at least 10,000 strong. ''God created all of us. He's not a God of the United States, he's a God of the world.''

Kyl had no comment on the rally.

'We have a dream, too'

In Georgia, activists said tens of thousands of workers did not show up at their jobs Friday after calls for a work stoppage to protest a bill passed by the Georgia House on Thursday.

That bill, which has yet to gain Senate approval, would deny state services to adults living in the United States illegally and impose a 5 percent surcharge on wire transfers from illegal immigrants.

Supporters say the Georgia measure is vital to homeland security. Opponents say it unfairly targets workers.

Teodoro Maus, a protest organizer, estimated as many as 80,000 Hispanics did not show up for work. About 200 converged on the steps of the Georgia Capitol, some holding signs reading: ''Don't panic, we're Hispanic'' and ''We have a dream, too.'' AP
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had this article submitted today. The question: Is illegal Immigration a Plus or Negative?

Illegal Immigration Is a Drain on the United States - New Proposed Legislation Sparks Protests Nationwide


Border Fence

It is about time that the Federal Government stepped up to the plate with legislation making “being in this country illegally” a felony.  For decades the US has allowed people to enter the country to find work, sign up for social programs, put their kids in public schools and use emergency medical services.

Many Americans in border states have complained for years as they watched their hospital emergency rooms shut down due to uninsured, unpaid visits.  Of course, not all uninsured patients are undocumented, and illegal immigrants do pay sales tax like everyone else. 

But even if an illegal immigrant pays income and sales tax, there is no evidence that they add to the economy.  One trip to the emergency medical room can cost tens of thousands of dollars (or more), and since most illegals have fewer skills and less education than most other Americans, their contribution to the tax base is lower. 

Since illegals are lower on the economic scale, they are more likely to sign up for welfare and other social programs. This can be a drain on our public services that were not designed to take care of people that travel here from other countries. Americans may benefit from lower prices on lettuce and strawberries, but they are hit by higher taxes and longer distances between hospital emergency rooms in exchange.

There are reasons why countries limit immigration. The US needs to take action to limit illegal immigration. The US should build a fence all along the southern border and begin rounding up people in this country that are here illegal. Don’t just send them back to their country; put them in prison for several years first. Children of illegal immigrants should be locked-up in juvenile detention centers until their parents are parents are deported.

I hope that the Congress sees these protests and realize that the illegal immigration problem should be addressed. It is time to take our country back before it is too late.

By Tom Madison

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I am one person who is definitely not against immigration. I think that the best way to solve the problem is to just embrace these individuals and allow them to become contributing members of society, without the red tape. They are hard working people who sincerely want to make a positive change in their lives, not necessarily leeching off the tax payers.

In exchange, I'll happily sign a petition for the deportation of second or third generation welfare recipients who have no work ethic and no sense of responsibility. They have been suckling off the system for so long that they do not even pretend to aspire to anything different. I say get rid of these rejects and leave the immigrants alone.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Don’t just send them back to their country; put them in prison for several years first. Children of illegal immigrants should be locked-up in juvenile detention centers until their parents are parents are deported. Tom Madison"

Is this a joke? He has to be kidding, right? This is insanity.

Just one facet: Does he know how EXPEN$IVE it is to incarcerate a human being?

I can think only one thing:

It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep people from immigrating illegally to our country

When some of them want to be here bad enough that they are even willing to DIE to get here!

We need reforms: Immigration, Health, Welfare, Education and Military

The development of systems that actually WORK.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Bubble Very Happy I sent you an e-mail and a PM to your site.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you Bubble. The problem with just deporting people is that they come right back in. The prison time may discourage this. But then what do you do with the kids? If the law does pass and it is a felony, then you can't just deport illegal immigrants, they will have to go to prison, right?

The problem is the welfare system. Some states have tried to limit the benefits to legal residents, but the courts said they could not. So illegal immigrants are entitled to welfare and every other program.

I hope this causes a failure in the whole system and then it is done away with. No welfare, no public schools, no state paid medical care for ANYONE. Something has got to give.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theLIBERTARIAN wrote:
So illegal immigrants are entitled to welfare and every other program..


I think, from talking to friends about it that this is the biggest 'beef' they have. Take away the freebies and the numbers will go down.

The other 'beef' is working for lower pay and then not paying any taxes, if they are paying taxes its with a stolen or fake SS card.

Im all for sponsored immigration whether its through an employer or relative, that way no one has to work illegally, the sponsors are taking financial responsibility for them until the paperwork is done and then they can go out and get a legit job. If there wasnt billions being spent in freebies that money could go towards getting the paperwork done faster which would mean less time to wait for those who dont have a sponsor.

I agree with deb though on the multi generational welfare bums but thats a different issue.

Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Froggy wrote:
theLIBERTARIAN wrote:
So illegal immigrants are entitled to welfare and every other program..


I think, from talking to friends about it that this is the biggest 'beef' they have. Take away the freebies and the numbers will go down.

The other 'beef' is working for lower pay and then not paying any taxes, if they are paying taxes its with a stolen or fake SS card.

Im all for sponsored immigration whether its through an employer or relative, that way no one has to work illegally, the sponsors are taking financial responsibility for them until the paperwork is done and then they can go out and get a legit job. If there wasnt billions being spent in freebies that money could go towards getting the paperwork done faster which would mean less time to wait for those who dont have a sponsor.

I agree with deb though on the multi generational welfare bums but thats a different issue.

Just my opinion.


I agree.

There is a problem though. The problem is that if welfare is granted to anyone (even legal residense) , the illegals are entitled to it as well, according to the courts. So there is no getting around that. I think that is why they are going after the felony crime on being here. It would be easier to get rid of welfare for everyone.

But then there is the problem of emergency care. If we travel to another country and need it, we want to be taken care of. But how do you afford to give it to everyone that immigrates?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socialized medicine.

It works in Costa Rica... er... it workED in Costa Rica in 1994: I haven't been back since.

Our nation is in deep doody. It is easy to see that the U.S. is on the downhill slide because of all of these systems that just do not work.

Generations of welfare families.

An there ARE plenty of immigrants getting over here and wanting to get on the gravy train...

and OUR COURTS are letting them climb aboard!!!!

People that never contributed one cent to our social security or welfare systems are able to plug right in and start collecting.

No wonder they all want to get over here... Ching, Ching, let the cash register ring, as Judge Marilyn Milian says as they clog her court TV show everyday... Usually trying to collect $5,000 for someone's hamster nipping them or something equally stupid.

Immigrants and people from the rest of the world think our system is gravy to be slurped up: A bonanza to be tapped.

WE, THE PEOPLE, must figure out how to put a cork in the pork barrels and make it all STOP!!!

Our nation is hemorrhaging money and we are getting less and less bang for our buck.

Something has got to give and the U.S. taxpayer is tired of it always being HIM!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: I agree with Libertarian. Reply with quote

theLIBERTARIAN wrote:
I agree with you Bubble. The problem with just deporting people is that they come right back in. The prison time may discourage this. But then what do you do with the kids? If the law does pass and it is a felony, then you can't just deport illegal immigrants, they will have to go to prison, right?

The problem is the welfare system. Some states have tried to limit the benefits to legal residents, but the courts said they could not. So illegal immigrants are entitled to welfare and every other program.

I hope this causes a failure in the whole system and then it is done away with. No welfare, no public schools, no state paid medical care for ANYONE. Something has got to give.

I agree with Libertarian. Just let things continue as they are and when the U.S. goes to hell in a handbasket we can all say, " I told you so!".
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

God forbid we make individuals responsible for themselves. That is just un-American.
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Ive just been watching the march in LA....can someone please tell me exactly what jobs there are that are done ONLY by illegals that Americans are not capable of doing?

Or is the point that illegals will do the jobs for less money? If thats the case, I think even then that there would be plenty of Americans that would do those jobs for the same amount of money if they didnt have to pay any taxes either. Its a BS excuse.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: People get ready. Reply with quote

Since very little will be passed as far as illegal immigration legislation, we should be prepared for more illegal immigration. I think an amnesty law will pass though I don't like that idea either. It seems that it really doesn't matter wht you or I want. They were beaten in the Mexican-American war but they will win this one. Look forward to seeing the Mexican flag on future flagpoles with the U.S. and State Flags. Who knows what order they will eventually be in. Thank God I am in my middle ages and might not see the worst to come. I wish I could be more optimistic but I can't. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: People get ready. Reply with quote

az_erle wrote:
Since very little will be passed as far as illegal immigration legislation, we should be prepared for more illegal immigration. I think an amnesty law will pass though I don't like that idea either. It seems that it really doesn't matter wht you or I want. They were beaten in the Mexican-American war but they will win this one. Look forward to seeing the Mexican flag on future flagpoles with the U.S. and State Flags. Who knows what order they will eventually be in. Thank God I am in my middle ages and might not see the worst to come. I wish I could be more optimistic but I can't. Sad


What do you think should be done? The article makes a good point about the kids. If it is a felony to be in this country, and the partents are locked up, what should happen to the kids?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: a felony? Reply with quote

should the government really be making it a FELONY to be in America illegally?
what, exactly, would it entail?
well, a felony is defined as:

any of a number of serious crimes such as murder, rape, burglary.
www.harnett.org/clerk/legalglo-429.asp

An offense so designated by law or punishable by death or confinement in a penitentiary. A person convicted of a felony offense is:
(1) disqualified to serve as a petit juror;
(2) ineligible for public office in this state unless pardoned or otherwise released from the resulting disabilities; and
(3) not allowed to vote unless properly discharged from parole or community supervision and at least two years have elapsed from the date of discharge.
www.charges-dropped.com/law-glossary.html

so, basically we'd be saying: "shame on you, you can no longer serve on a jury, vote, own a handgun, serve public office, and we'll be housing you in a federal prison, on our dime, for a while."
it's absolutely pointless.
illegal immigrants are not currently capable of serving on a jury, voting, they can (illegally) own firearms, but I don't know about the process of obtaining one legally, and their living conditions would probably improve if they moved into a prison.
no. the solution for someone being in this country when they shouldn't be is to remove them from the country. That law is already in place, and simply needs to be enforced.
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